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Episode 366: Can You Follow Jesus Beyond Church Walls? w/ Chantal Morales McKinney
This week we sit down with Chantal Morales McKinney as she shares the deeply personal story behind her book "Following Jesus Beyond Church Walls" where she presses into a question many of us have asked before:
Can you still follow Jesus when church no longer feels safe?
Together we explore topics like church trauma, deconstruction, Christ consciousness, contemplative spirituality, reclaiming faith beyond institutional religion, why so many people are leaving church while still longing for God ... and so much more.
Whether you've been hurt by church, are questioning your faith, or simply wonder if there might be a more expansive way to follow Jesus, I hope this conversation encourages you.
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CHANTAL MORALES MCKINNEY: https://www.chantalmckinney.com
FOLLOWING JESUS BEYOND CHURCH WALLS: https://amzn.to/45rTrgK
MY NEW BOOK: https://a.co/d/fsUTllj
ART STUDIO: https://www.whatifproject.net/art
SUPPORT THE SHOW: https://www.whatifproject.net/support
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(**NOTE: these show notes contain Amazon affiliate links. If you use these links to buy something I may earn a small commission)
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58 minutes ago
58 minutes ago
49 min
What happens when the place that taught you about God becomes the place that wounds you most?
This week we sit down with Chantal Morales McKinney as she shares the deeply personal story behind her book "Following Jesus Beyond Church Walls" where she presses into a question many of us have asked before:
Can you still follow Jesus when church no longer feels safe?
Together we explore topics like church trauma, deconstruction, Christ consciousness, contemplative spirituality, reclaiming faith beyond institutional religion, why so many people are leaving church while still longing for God ... and so much more.
Whether you've been hurt by church, are questioning your faith, or simply wonder if there might be a more expansive way to follow Jesus, I hope this conversation encourages you.
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CHANTAL MORALES MCKINNEY: https://www.chantalmckinney.com
FOLLOWING JESUS BEYOND CHURCH WALLS: https://amzn.to/45rTrgK
MY NEW BOOK: https://a.co/d/fsUTllj
ART STUDIO: https://www.whatifproject.net/art
SUPPORT THE SHOW: https://www.whatifproject.net/support
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(**NOTE: these show notes contain Amazon affiliate links. If you use these links to buy something I may earn a small commission)

Aug 2, 2026
Aug 2, 2026
43 min
What if the Book of Psalms isn't simply a collection of ancient worship songs, but a guide for living an honest spiritual life?
In this week’s episode we sit down with Richard Bruxvoort Colligan - musician, songwriter, and author of the incredible "Dangerous Songs: The Psalms and a Life of Honest Faith" to explore why the Psalms have endured for thousands of years.
We cover LOTS of ground and explore things like lament, joy, grief, hope, prayer, worship, and why the Psalms give us permission to bring every part of ourselves before God.
So. Good.
Whether you're deconstructing your faith, rediscovering Christian spirituality, or just looking for a more authentic way to pray, this conversation offers a refreshing perspective on one of the Bible's most well-known books.
In this episode you'll discover:
Why the Psalms are still relevant today
How lament can become a spiritual practice
Why honest prayer matters more than perfect prayer
The connection between music, worship, and spiritual formation
How the Psalms invite us into a deeper relationship with God
Enjoy!
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SHOW NOTES:
RICHARD BRUXVOORT COLLIGAN: https://www.psalmimmersion.com/contact
DANGEROUS SONGS: https://amzn.to/4vBYsy9
MY NEW BOOK: https://a.co/d/fsUTllj
ART STUDIO: https://www.whatifproject.net/art
SUPPORT THE SHOW: https://www.whatifproject.net/support
(**NOTE: these show notes contain Amazon affiliate links. If you use these links to buy something I may earn a small commission)

Jul 5, 2026
Jul 5, 2026
35 min
This week we are talking Aldo Cazzullo about his book, "God of Our Fathers: the Great Stories of the Bible" where he connects some of the most well-known stories of the Bible to present day circumstances and shows how the Bible is a stunning literary achievement that contains the full breadth of the human experience.
Are you weary of hearing about how the Bible is nothing other than the "inerrant and perfect Word of God" that is to never be questioned, never doubted - little more than a rule book filled with rights and wrongs, dos and donts, and a blueprint of how to get to heaven?
Me too.
Pull up a chair and join Aldo and me as he shifts our perspective and ignites our wonder about these ancient writings.
Enjoy!
SHOW NOTES:
ALDO CAZZULLO: https://www.instagram.com/cazzulloaldo?igsh=ZmZ2ZWcydDhlNzFi
THE GOD OF OUR FATHERS: https://amzn.to/4eEtXlS
MY NEW BOOK: https://a.co/d/fsUTllj
ART STUDIO: https://www.whatifproject.net/art
EBAY ART: https://www.ebay.com/usr/what_if_project
SUPPORT THE SHOW: https://www.whatifproject.net/support
(**NOTE: these show notes contain Amazon affiliate links. If you use these links to buy something I may earn a small commission)

Jun 14, 2026
Jun 14, 2026
59 min
Friends.
This week we are talking to Dr. Richard Beck about his incredible book, "The Book of Love: A Better Way to Read the Bible". The reality is that we all have a particular lens through which we read the Bible along with a set of experiences we bring with us to the text. In his book, Richard helps us realize that and then suggests a different lens or prism through which to read it - love.
In these divided days that we are in where (let's face it!) lots of us are using the Bible to support our values or our beliefs or our candidates ... this book is a breath of fresh air and a challenge to let the Bible be what it is.
Enjoy!
SHOW NOTES:
RICHARD BECK: https://richardbeck.substack.com
THE BOOK OF LOVE: https://amzn.to/4uU33vV
MY NEW BOOK: https://a.co/d/fsUTllj
ART STUDIO: https://www.whatifproject.net/art
EBAY ART: https://www.ebay.com/usr/what_if_project
SUPPORT THE SHOW: https://www.whatifproject.net/support
(**NOTE: these show notes contain Amazon affiliate links. If you use these links to buy something I may earn a small commission)

May 31, 2026
May 31, 2026
58 min
Friends.
We have an incredible episode this week featuring John Dominic Crossan and Michael Okinczyc-Cruz talking about their recent book, “Jesus and Justice” - a book that is so, so important for these tense moments that we’re in.
In this episode, Dom and Michael invite us into the world Jesus actually lived in — a world of occupied shores, commercialized lakes, and an empire that called itself divine.
Sound familiar?
They ask what it means to follow a Jew who proclaimed distributive justice under the shadow of Rome, and what that following might demand of us now, when autocracy wears a cross.
This is not a conversation about belief. It is a conversation about becoming — about organizing like rain, walking into the wreckage, and letting the ancient land speak again
Lots to unpack. Enjoy.
SHOW NOTES:
JOHN DOMINIC CROSSAN: https://www.jesusandjusticebook.com
MICHAEL OKINCZYC-CRUZ: https://www.jesusandjusticebook.com
JESUS AND JUSTICE: https://amzn.to/4uzrvCE
MY NEW BOOK: https://a.co/d/fsUTllj
ART STUDIO: https://www.whatifproject.net/art
EBAY ART: https://www.ebay.com/usr/what_if_project
SUPPORT THE SHOW: https://www.whatifproject.net/support
(**NOTE: these show notes contain Amazon affiliate links. If you use these links to buy something I may earn a small commission)

May 3, 2026
May 3, 2026
51 min
Most of us were handed a script, right? THIS is what success looks like. THIS is what a good life is. THIS is what it means to be normal.
BUT.
What happens when that script starts to crack, when it just doesn't work anymore?
In this episode, I’m joined by MaryAnn McKibben Dana, author of the amazing book, Better Than Normal; and we talk about what it means to step off that script - especially when that might be scary, costly, or misunderstood.
We get into topics like anxiety, parenting, deconstruction, and the quiet courage it takes to live a life that actually fits who you are… instead of who you were told to be.
Yes.
What if “better than normal” isn’t out there somewhere, but begins the moment we stop trying to be what we think everyone expects us to be?
SHOW NOTES:
MARYANN MCKIBBEN DANA: https://substack.com/@maryannmckibbendana
BETTER THAN NORMAL: https://amzn.to/4eIXQll
MY NEW BOOK: https://a.co/d/fsUTllj
ART STUDIO: https://www.whatifproject.net/art
EBAY ART: https://www.ebay.com/usr/what_if_project
SUPPORT THE SHOW: https://www.whatifproject.net/support
(**NOTE: these show notes contain Amazon affiliate links. If you use these links to buy something I may earn a small commission)



